FYI: this is CHINA ONLY that they did this. With China being a totalitarianism shithole this was to be expected
Fuses… That’s like what the first Switch did to try to deal with jailbreak.
I don’t know why this thread is complaining specifically about Chinese OEMs when Samsung has been doing this for years.
And yet my LinkedIn is still full of people complaining about how much the EU over-regulates
It’s not flashing a custom ROM. It is installing an OS of users choice. Enemy’s language shouldn’t be used if we want things to change
This is why “side load” is annoying to me. It’s installing. It is not special or different. They aren’t “blocking side loading” they’re “restricting what you can install.”
I’m 100% okay with how my Samsung Galaxy handles it: You access the Developer mode by pressing on the phone info screen in the settings for several seconds, and then there’s a switch that allows execution of random .apk files.
“Yes, do as I say.”
Still custom as it’s not the default
Installing linux on your Dell that came with Windows isn’t “Installing a custom OS.”
Not IMO for phones but hey, it’s a free world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You’ve been trained well.
What makes it “custom”? If you install Linux on a laptop that comes with Windows pre-installed, is Linux then a custom OS it’s not being a default? Why phones are any different? Calling it custom you play to the manufacturers pockets making it sound shady and unofficial giving them right to take the control from the customers devices. Soon we won’t own anything we buy.
So never buy OnePlus products. Got it. Thanks OnePlus for making the advice so clear!
Yeah, this was the case shortly after they release of model 5T or around thst time. That’s when they stopped being the only company that would provide instructions to root your device, and guess what… Back then, if you rooted your device the warranty was still valid!
That’s what I heard. I know Samsung has been doing something like this as well.
Samsung has been blowing fuses in your phone when you root since at least 2015. I know because it happened to me. Never bought one again after that.
Samsung just does it to trigger Knox and not let you use some security minded things on the phone.
They also, however, have their phones pretty much impossible to root anymore. I don’t think most ever get a custom rom, because pretty much no one can get a Samsung phone to except one. I believe my old Note 20 Ultra is still not rootable.
For me I found out when I wanted them to fix something and they refused to honour the warranty because of the blown fuse.
As far as I know, this is illegal, btw. They have to prove that the error you are reporting is caused by user action. If your battery craps out, they can’t blame it on you rooting your phone.
Yep, Samsung Knox is the feature name; does it actually prevent things or is it just “tamper evidence” for corporate devices?
It’s the blanket name for their security architecture. The thing that makes sure your kernel is blessed, tries teo tell if you’re rooted, then sets a fuse flag if anything is off. It also provides a secure, encrypted profile for your phone that bifurcates apps, data, blocks screenshots. The data from the flag is available to apps to tell that your phone is potentially insecure. For the most part, they only block Samsung banking/pay apps and make your secure partition inaccessible.
My next phone will be something degoogled. hopefully something linux.
I’ve already wiped an old disconnected android phone for use with my drone/cameras that require a mobile device.
According to the linked article it prevents the use of Samsung Pay and access to the Secure Folder (an extra layer of security you can enable that requires a second PIN to be input before you can access certain apps and files). This seems pretty reasonable, the goal is clearly to prevent access to especially sensitive data if someone has stolen the phone.
It’s not reasonable in my opinion.
I can maybe understand not wanting other operating systems in their attestation chain that is protecting a payment system from the standpoint of liability.
All of the other things are entirely hardware features that any OS should be able to use. They’re using the ARM Trusted Execution Environment (ARM TrustZone) and a embedded Secure Element to enable the ability to store cryptographiclly secured files without the system ever having access to the keys.
Both TEEs and eSEs are not a Samsung invention or IP and are enabled by hardware on the device, the TEE is part of the ARM standard and is used in a huge number of other OSs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture_family). Secure Elements are also widely used pieces of hardware supported by innumerable OSs and also a feature of the hardware that you paid for.
GrapheneOS also claims it’s not defending against anything real. Which makes sense as Pixels can clearly maintain security while allowing alternate OSes. So this is just hostile vendor lock-in. Disappointing as there was some speculation that OP would be the GOS OEM, but there’s no way they would do this is that was true.
Sad. Having used the OPX, OP6T, OP9, and briefly the OP10, I can honestly say their hardware is usually pretty good. I went to Graphene on a Pixel for the software. Software was always Oneplus’ weak point so it’s extra silly that they’re doing this. So many hobbyists have bought OP hardware and used it with software of their choice. They started co-developing their Oxygen OS with Oppo a while back and that’s when it really went to hell.
Last I hear OnePlus was on the verge of collapse. Not because of this, but because of the mismanagement since carl left. It will probably be absorbed into oppo soon enough https://www.androidheadlines.com/exclusive-oneplus-collapse.
Miss my Oneplus 7 Pro. popup cameras <3
I bought my secondhand OnePlus 6T only last year. Installed Linux on it, and I love it. I’m using it as my daily driver.
Sent from my OnePlus 6T and from my bed
I also own a 6T as my main phone, but it seems LineageOS support had ended :(
Wow, what happened to OnePlus? They used to be so cool. Hell, the first one ran Cyanogen.
They’re basically being folded into Oppo right now. OnePlus as a company is pretty much dead.
In better times, this would at least get a class action.
“OnePlus shoots own foot. Likely to blame consumers for it”
OnePlus is a Chinese company. Anybody who trusted a Chinese company to respect privacy, consumer rights, and ownership freedom is a complete idiot.
Many users were buying OpenPlus Pro smartphones solely because of the ability to unlock the bootloader and flash custom ROMs. People value freedom and customization. OpenPlus is shooting itself in the foot.
Oppo killed and ate OP a long time ago. They’ve just been wearing their skin like a suit up to this point, but their true nature is obvious at this point.
If true, this is sabotage of the customers product, and must 100% be illegal in almost any country!!
But my guess is they are limiting this to countries that have absolute shit consumer protection.Things are illegal only when enforced. Otherwise they’re a suggestion at best.
…oh? I thought every console used this kind of tech as well.
So are console sold with the possibility of changing the OS, only to have that option removed later? There was some issue with PS3, but apart from that I never heard about it.
Ooooh, okay, now I understand. I was referring to the way modern consoles blow a fuse with each new patch so you can’t load older patches.
But yeah, the PS3 removed the ability to boot Linux which it was explicitly advertised to have and it was a huge thing at the time.
consoles blow a fuse with each new patch so you can’t load older patches.
Admittedly I was unaware of this, but for consoles it can have a real functional purpose as part of the protection against cheating.
It’s an anti-piracy/homebrew feature. Realistically, nobody is using that for cheating.
No, this is done to ensure there’s no competition when selling games. Why do you think console games are pricier than PC ones? On PC we still have some competition.
Anticheat should be handled by the games, not the console (unless the games are produced by the console manufacturer)
so it basically permanently “damages” the phone when you try to root it, seems like they are asking for a lawsuit at some point.
Wanna try suing Samsung before that?
Why would they start with the harder one? Samsung is much better funded, and therefore will be a much more difficult case.
And no, it does not matter that Samsung did it first.
Kinda does.
